M: I wonder what on earth Alfred Aiken means by "You are not the body." The body seems so real.
W: I think the operative term there is 'earth'! ...on earth as it is in heaven? Heaven meaning, 'how things actually are.' Consciousness, awareness is not the body. The body is social! We think we are bodies relating to one another. Which is fine, but it's not the truth.
m: That's very good to hear, because a person's mood tends to swing up or down according to the success rate in society.
W: At some point, everyone has to leave society, and forget and be forgotten - you can't have everyone on the stage at once!